{"id":17,"date":"2017-03-27T09:10:10","date_gmt":"2017-03-27T07:10:10","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/emagazin.plus\/?p=17"},"modified":"2020-03-27T15:46:08","modified_gmt":"2020-03-27T14:46:08","slug":"martin-herrmann-innogy-pavel-konecny-neuron-soundware","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/emagazin.plus\/cz\/martin-herrmann-innogy-pavel-konecny-neuron-soundware\/","title":{"rendered":"Rozhovor: Martin Herrmann (innogy) & Pavel Kone\u010dn\u00fd (Neuron soundware)"},"content":{"rendered":"

Jeden je mana\u017eerem a druh\u00fd startupistou, oba jsou otcov\u00e9 od rodin, oba jsou v\u00a0nejlep\u0161\u00edch letech. Martin Herrmann a Pavel Kone\u010dn\u00fd vyu\u017e\u00edvaj\u00ed p\u0159\u00edle\u017eitost\u00ed, kter\u00e9 nab\u00edz\u00ed nov\u00e1 doba. A oba p\u0159i tom \u010del\u00ed zcela rozd\u00edln\u00fdm v\u00fdzv\u00e1m. Prvn\u00ed je top mana\u017eerem spole\u010dnosti innogy<\/a>, restartu RWE, druh\u00fd zakladatelem startupu Neuron Soundware<\/a>. Te\u010f p\u016fjdou kousek cesty spole\u010dn\u011b.<\/em><\/p>\n

Plus: <\/em>Jin\u00fd Herrmann, a sice Herrmann Hesse, v jedn\u00e9 velmi zn\u00e1m\u00e9 b\u00e1sni tvrd\u00ed, \u017ee ka\u017ed\u00fd po\u010d\u00e1tek m\u00e1 sv\u00e9 kouzlo. S innogy pr\u00e1v\u011b stoj\u00edte na po\u010d\u00e1tku. Co je t\u00edm kouzlem v innogy?<\/strong><\/p>\n

Martin Herrmann:<\/em><\/strong> Kouzlem je, \u017ee jsme byli velmi d\u016fsledn\u00ed. Spole\u010dnost\u00ed innogy jsme vytvo\u0159ili vzor energetick\u00e9 spole\u010dnosti budoucnosti. Nejen \u017ee jsme spojili oblast prodeje, obnoviteln\u00fdch zdroj\u016f energie a s\u00edt\u00ed & infrastruktury a p\u0159ipravili se na budoucnost. S\u00a0novou zna\u010dkou chceme vytvo\u0159it tak\u00e9 novou kulturu. Spole\u010dnost innogy je kreativn\u00ed, pestr\u00e1, inovativn\u00ed a samoz\u0159ejm\u011b orientovan\u00e1 na z\u00e1kazn\u00edky. Pozitivn\u00ed reakce z\u00e1kazn\u00edk\u016f, ale tak\u00e9 \u00fasp\u011b\u0161n\u00fd vstup na burzu za\u010d\u00e1tkem \u0159\u00edjna n\u00e1s utvrdily v\u00a0tom, \u017ee jsme na spr\u00e1vn\u00e9 cest\u011b.<\/p>\n

Plus: <\/em>A pro V\u00e1s osobn\u011b?<\/strong><\/p>\n

Herrmann:<\/em><\/strong> T\u00edm kouzlem pro m\u011b je, \u017ee jsem mohl b\u00fdt sou\u010d\u00e1st\u00ed t\u00e9to cesty. Bav\u00ed m\u011b zkr\u00e1tka, kdy\u017e mohu v\u011bci ovliv\u0148ovat a pracovat s vysoce motivovan\u00fdm t\u00fdmem.<\/p>\n

Plus: <\/em>Uhl\u00ed a atomov\u00e1 energie z\u016fst\u00e1vaj\u00ed v RWE, innogy m\u00e1 na starosti obnoviteln\u00e9 zdroje energie. Co k\u00a0tomu vedlo?<\/strong><\/p>\n

Herrmann:<\/em><\/strong> Ke zvl\u00e1dnut\u00ed energiewende(odklon od jadern\u00e9 energetiky k v\u011bt\u0161\u00edmu vyu\u017e\u00edv\u00e1n\u00ed obnoviteln\u00fdch zdroj\u016f, pozn. redakce)<\/em> pat\u0159\u00ed t\u0159i v\u011bci. Prvn\u00ed je v\u00fdroba energie z obnoviteln\u00fdch zdroj\u016f. Druhou oblast\u00ed jsou distribu\u010dn\u00ed s\u00edt\u011b, kter\u00e9 na sv\u00fdch bedrech ponesou velkou \u010d\u00e1st energiewende, proto\u017ee v\u00fdroba bude st\u00e1le v\u00edce decentralizovan\u00e1. Ze spot\u0159ebitel\u016f se stanou v\u00fdrobci, tzv. \u201eprosumers\u201c. A t\u0159et\u00ed oblast\u00ed je cel\u00e1 distribuce. Tyto t\u0159i oblasti jsme spojili dohromady. Kv\u016fli pr\u016fmyslov\u00e9 logice a prost\u011b abychom jako koncern mohli l\u00e9pe reagovat na sou\u010dasn\u00fd v\u00fdvoj.<\/p>\n

Plus: <\/em>Pavle, Vy jste s\u00a0Neuron Soundware opravdu na za\u010d\u00e1tku. C\u00edt\u00edte je\u0161t\u011b to po\u010d\u00e1te\u010dn\u00ed kouzlo, nebo u\u017e jste narazil na tvrdou realitu?<\/strong><\/p>\n

Pavel Kone\u010dn\u00fd:<\/em><\/strong> Objevov\u00e1n\u00ed toho, co bychom mohli d\u011blat, u\u017e pominulo. Te\u010f \u0159e\u0161\u00edme praktick\u00e9 v\u011bci, od smluvn\u00edch z\u00e1vazk\u016f a\u017e po to, kde budeme nab\u00edrat lidi a jak vylep\u0161\u00edme technologii. Kouzlo u\u017e je pry\u010d. Te\u010f n\u00e1m zb\u00fdv\u00e1 spousta pr\u00e1ce.<\/p>\n

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Pavel Kone\u010dn\u00fd, Neuron soundware (vlevo) a Martin Herrmann, innogy (vpravo)<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n

Plus:<\/em> Jak\u00fd byl pro V\u00e1s rok 2016?<\/strong><\/p>\n

Herrmann:<\/em><\/strong> Jedn\u00edm z nejzaj\u00edmav\u011bj\u0161\u00edch v\u00a0m\u00e9 kari\u00e9\u0159e, proto\u017ee p\u0159inesl neuv\u011b\u0159iteln\u011b mnoho v\u011bc\u00ed z\u00e1rove\u0148. Firmu jako innogy nezalo\u017e\u00edte p\u0159es noc. Definovali jsme pr\u00e1vn\u00ed strukturu, rozhodli jsme, kter\u00e1 aktiva z\u016fstanou v\u00a0RWE a kter\u00e1 p\u0159esuneme do\u00a0innogy, kte\u0159\u00ed zam\u011bstnanci p\u0159ejdou do nov\u00e9 dce\u0159in\u00e9 firmy. V\u00a0hork\u00e9 f\u00e1zi na tomto mamut\u00edm \u00fakolu pracovalo 1500 lid\u00ed. V\u00a0rekordn\u011b kr\u00e1tk\u00e9 dob\u011b jsme vytvo\u0159ili novou spole\u010dnost, kter\u00e1 vstoupila na burzu. Norm\u00e1ln\u011b to trv\u00e1 mnohem d\u00e9le. Druhou v\u00fdzvou byl rebranding innogy. A t\u0159et\u00ed byla pro m\u011b osobn\u011b funkce v p\u0159edstavenstvu pro oblast retail v\u00a0t\u00e9to nov\u00e9 spole\u010dnosti, tedy b\u00fdt u d\u016fle\u017eit\u00fdch rozhodnut\u00ed a st\u00e1t se sou\u010d\u00e1st\u00ed procesu zm\u011bn. Jak vid\u00edte, byl to velmi zaj\u00edmav\u00fd rok a jsem si jist, \u017ee stejn\u00e9 to bude i nad\u00e1le.<\/p>\n

Plus: <\/em>Pavle, byl pro V\u00e1s rok 2016 v\u00fdjime\u010dn\u00fd?<\/strong><\/p>\n

Kone\u010dn\u00fd:<\/em><\/strong> Ur\u010dit\u011b. Za\u010d\u00ednali jsme s\u00a0n\u011bkolika \u0159\u00e1dky k\u00f3d\u016f a seznamem n\u00e1pad\u016f, jak na\u0161i technologii pou\u017e\u00edt. A te\u010f m\u00e1me produkt, m\u00e1me technologii, zaj\u00edmav\u00e9 z\u00e1kazn\u00edky, m\u00e1me firmu, a to v\u0161echno se ud\u00e1lo b\u011bhem necel\u00e9ho roku. To je ohromn\u00e1 zm\u011bna.<\/p>\n

Plus: <\/em>Kolik m\u00e1te z\u00e1kazn\u00edk\u016f?<\/strong><\/p>\n

Kone\u010dn\u00fd:<\/em><\/strong> M\u00e1me p\u011bt plat\u00edc\u00edch z\u00e1kazn\u00edk\u016f, s\u00a0n\u011bkolika dal\u0161\u00edmi realizujeme pilotn\u00ed projekty. Pak m\u00e1me celou \u0159adu v\u011bc\u00ed ve f\u00e1zi p\u0159\u00edprav. Chceme na\u0161i techniku \u201e\u0161k\u00e1lovat\u201c p\u0159es hodn\u011b z\u00e1kazn\u00edk\u016f, to znamen\u00e1 nejprve ji na \u0161\u00ed\u0159en\u00ed p\u0159ipravit.<\/p>\n

Plus:<\/em> M\u00e1te tak\u00e9 zahrani\u010dn\u00ed z\u00e1kazn\u00edky?<\/strong><\/p>\n

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Pavel Kone\u010dn\u00fd, Neuron soundware<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n

Kone\u010dn\u00fd: <\/em><\/strong>Ano, <\/em>te\u010f d\u011bl\u00e1me eskal\u00e1tory pro Deutsche Bahn a jedn\u00e1me se\u00a0Siemensem o licencov\u00e1n\u00ed. S\u00a0nimi jsme u\u017e dokon\u010dili pilotn\u00ed projekt pro v\u011btrn\u00e9 elektr\u00e1rny. Z\u00e1jem projevily GE Aviation a Rollsroyce, jsme v\u00a0kontaktu s Mercedes-Benz Trucks, kde bychom mohli poslechem poruch zv\u00fd\u0161it spolehlivost n\u00e1kladn\u00edch automobil\u016f, a jin\u00e9.<\/p>\n

Plus: <\/em>Spole\u010dnost innogy byla partnerem startupov\u00e9 sout\u011b\u017ee \u010cNOPK Connect Visions to <\/em>Solutions. Hledala \u0159e\u0161en\u00ed pro chytrou tov\u00e1rnu. Pavle, Vy jste tuto sout\u011b\u017e vyhr\u00e1li. M\u016f\u017eete ve stru\u010dnosti popsat, co um\u00ed V\u00e1\u0161 software v\u00a0digit\u00e1ln\u00ed dob\u011b v\u00a0chytr\u00e9 tov\u00e1rn\u011b?<\/strong><\/p>\n

Kone\u010dn\u00fd:<\/em><\/strong> My \u0159e\u0161\u00edme spolehlivost strojn\u00edch za\u0159\u00edzen\u00ed. N\u011bkter\u00e9 stroje u\u017e dnes maj\u00ed senzory na m\u011b\u0159en\u00ed teploty nebo vibrac\u00ed. P\u0159id\u00e1v\u00e1me mo\u017enost detekce \u0159ady mechanick\u00fdch z\u00e1vad t\u00edm, \u017ee analyzujeme zvuk stroje. N\u00e1\u0161 software je schopen poznat, kdy\u017e nap\u0159\u00edklad n\u011bkdo zapomn\u011bl namazat olej nebo se za\u010d\u00edn\u00e1 projevovat n\u011bjak\u00e9 t\u0159en\u00ed. Stroj po\u0159\u00e1d je\u0161t\u011b funguje, ale u\u017e za\u010d\u00edn\u00e1 zn\u00edt jinak. To je ta f\u00e1ze, kdy jsme schopni registrovat probl\u00e9m a upozornit na n\u011bj. To zaujalo kolegy tady z\u00a0innogy a mysl\u00edm, \u017ee to je i sm\u011br, kam se chce jako spole\u010dnost vydat, tzn. p\u0159id\u00e1vat hodnotn\u011bj\u0161\u00ed slu\u017eby. Spole\u010dn\u011b p\u0159ipravujeme produkt pro chytr\u00e1 m\u011bsta, kdy prost\u0159ednictv\u00edm chytr\u00fdch lamp, kter\u00e9 budou rozum\u011bt zvuk\u016fm m\u011bsta, bude mo\u017en\u00e9 ud\u011blat interaktivn\u00ed mapu, na n\u00ed\u017e \u00fa\u0159edn\u00edci uvid\u00ed, kde je v\u00a0jak\u00e9m m\u00edst\u011b ve m\u011bst\u011b jak\u00e1 hlu\u010dnost a hlavn\u011b co ji zp\u016fsobuje.<\/p>\n

Plus: V <\/em>innogy, nov\u00e9 dce\u0159in\u00e9 firm\u011b RWE, hled\u00e1te n\u00e1pady a startupy zam\u011b\u0159en\u00e9 na chytr\u00e9 tov\u00e1rny. Co to vypov\u00edd\u00e1 o va\u0161\u00ed strategii? Jde sp\u00ed\u0161e o oblast B2B, nebo o koncov\u00e9ho z\u00e1kazn\u00edka?<\/strong><\/p>\n

Herrmann:<\/em><\/strong> St\u00e1le hled\u00e1me nov\u00e9 obchodn\u00ed modely, kter\u00e9 budou pro na\u0161e z\u00e1kazn\u00edky p\u0159\u00ednosn\u00e9. M\u016f\u017ee to b\u00fdt segment B2C, m\u016f\u017ee to b\u00fdt segment B2B, mohou to b\u00fdt pr\u00e1v\u011b \u0159e\u0161en\u00ed pro chytr\u00e1 m\u011bsta. My sami jsme rozpoznali, \u017ee v\u00fdhledov\u011b bude nutn\u00e9 nab\u00edzet v\u00edce ne\u017e jen elekt\u0159inu a plyn. Proto se innogy siln\u011b zam\u011b\u0159uje na inovace.<\/p>\n

Plus: <\/em>Jak by m\u011bl energetick\u00fd gigant nejl\u00e9pe zach\u00e1zet se startupy? M\u011bl by je koupit, integrovat, nebo v\u0161emu nechat voln\u00fd pr\u016fb\u011bh?<\/strong><\/p>\n

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Martin Herrmann, innogy<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n

Herrmann:<\/em><\/strong> Opatrn\u011b. Tak\u00e9 u inovac\u00ed, kter\u00e9 vznikaj\u00ed v\u00a0na\u0161em koncernu, mus\u00edme b\u00fdt velmi opatrn\u00ed. V \u017e\u00e1dn\u00e9m p\u0159\u00edpad\u011b nesm\u00ed doj\u00edt k\u00a0tomu, aby cel\u00e1 administrativa koncernu zavalila inovativn\u00ed n\u00e1pady. To by je toti\u017e zahubilo. To rozhodn\u011b nechceme. Proto mus\u00edme poskytnout neomezen\u00fd prostor<\/p>\n

, ale z\u00e1rove\u0148 tak\u00e9 zajistit, aby z\u016fstala zachov\u00e1na jist\u00e1 pravidla. To se\u00a0n\u00e1m da\u0159\u00ed. Po\u010det produkt\u016f a projekt\u016f, kter\u00e9 poch\u00e1zej\u00ed z\u00a0na\u0161\u00ed inova\u010dn\u00ed \u201epipeline\u201c, st\u00e1le roste.<\/p>\n

Plus: <\/em>Co mus\u00ed um\u011bt a ud\u011blat startup, aby mohl spolupracovat s innogy?<\/strong><\/p>\n

Herrmann:<\/em><\/strong> Mus\u00ed m\u00edt zkr\u00e1tka dobr\u00fd n\u00e1pad a spr\u00e1vn\u00e9 lidi. Lidi, kte\u0159\u00ed maj\u00ed ve sv\u00e9m oboru speci\u00e1ln\u00ed know-how. Lidi, kte\u0159\u00ed k v\u011bcem p\u0159istupuj\u00ed s\u00a0v\u00e1\u0161n\u00ed, cht\u011bj\u00ed b\u00fdt \u00fasp\u011b\u0161n\u00ed a to v\u0161e cht\u011bj\u00ed vn\u00e9st do partnerstv\u00ed. To je pro m\u011b nesm\u00edrn\u011b d\u016fle\u017eit\u00e9.<\/p>\n

Plus: <\/em>M\u00e1te to, Pavle? Um\u00edte to?<\/strong><\/p>\n

Kone\u010dn\u00fd:<\/em><\/strong> V\u011b\u0159\u00edme, \u017ee ano. Mysl\u00edm, \u017ee je pot\u0159eba m\u00edt trp\u011blivost, proto\u017ee \u017eivot startupu je desetkr\u00e1t rychlej\u0161\u00ed ne\u017e \u017eivot ve velk\u00e9 korporaci. Kdy\u017e se v\u00a0korporaci n\u011bkdo zept\u00e1, kdy budeme m\u00edt meeting, je to za dva t\u00fddny. Startup stihne za dva t\u00fddny hodn\u011b v\u011bc\u00ed. \u010cetl jsem, \u017ee se v\u00a0pr\u016fm\u011bru uskute\u010dn\u00ed 22 meeting\u016f, ne\u017e se uzav\u0159e kontrakt s\u00a0velkou korporac\u00ed. Uvid\u00edme, jestli budeme s\u00a0innogy rychlej\u0161\u00ed.<\/p>\n

Herrmann:<\/em><\/strong> Tady je jasn\u00e9, \u017ee se mus\u00edme sami sebe zeptat, co se m\u016f\u017eeme od startup\u016f nau\u010dit.<\/p>\n

Plus: <\/em>V\u00edte to?<\/strong><\/p>\n

Herrmann:<\/em><\/strong> Mysl\u00edm, \u017ee ano. M\u011bli bychom b\u00fdt agiln\u011bj\u0161\u00ed, m\u00edt m\u00e9n\u011b hierarchick\u00fdch \u00farovn\u00ed atd. Je cel\u00e1 \u0159ada mo\u017enost\u00ed, jak b\u00fdt rychlej\u0161\u00ed.<\/p>\n

Plus: <\/em>Pavle, co byste si p\u0159\u00e1l pro sv\u016fj startup? Rychl\u00fd, ziskov\u00fd exit (prodej pod\u00edl\u016f ve firm\u011b, pozn. redakce<\/em>)? Nebo dlouhodobou kooperaci v\u00a0oblasti B2B?<\/strong><\/p>\n

Kone\u010dn\u00fd:<\/em><\/strong> Na\u0161\u00edm t\u00e9matem je um\u011bl\u00e1 inteligence stroj\u016f. Tam nen\u00ed p\u0159esn\u00e1 hranice, kdy si \u0159eknete, tak u\u017e jsem je nau\u010dil v\u0161echno a je \u010das firmu prodat. Je to, jako kdy\u017e m\u00e1te v\u00a0ruce kladivo. Pak najednou v\u0161echno vypad\u00e1 jako h\u0159eb\u00edk. Je hodn\u011b sv\u016fdn\u00e9, pou\u017e\u00edt na\u0161i techniku na r\u016fzn\u00e9 \u00fakoly. T\u0159eba jeden kolega v l\u00e9t\u011b jezdil na hor\u00e1ch na kole a nefungovala p\u0159edpov\u011b\u010f po\u010das\u00ed, produkt jednoho superpo\u010d\u00edta\u010de. \u0158ekl si: \u201eNau\u010d\u00edme n\u00e1\u0161 software spolehliv\u011b p\u0159edpov\u00eddat, jak se pohybuj\u00ed mraky.\u201c V\u00a0principu to jde a m\u016f\u017ee to b\u00fdt spolehliv\u011bj\u0161\u00ed ne\u017e numerick\u00e9 modely. Ale my jsme mu to zak\u00e1zali: \u201eNe, to d\u011blat nebudeme. M\u00e1me tady n\u00e1\u0161 startup a z\u00e1kazn\u00edky a te\u010f se v\u011bnujeme stroj\u016fm.\u201c<\/p>\n

Plus: <\/em>St\u00e1le \u010dast\u011bji se st\u00e1v\u00e1, \u017ee mana\u017ee\u0159i velk\u00fdch podnik\u016f daj\u00ed v\u00fdpov\u011b\u010f, se sv\u00fdm know-how zalo\u017e\u00ed vlastn\u00ed startup a nov\u00fd produkt nab\u00eddnou b\u00fdval\u00e9mu zam\u011bstnavateli. Je takov\u00fdto odliv mozk\u016f probl\u00e9mem tak\u00e9 v innogy?<\/strong><\/p>\n

Herrmann:<\/em><\/strong> Zat\u00edm se n\u00e1m je\u0161t\u011b nestalo, \u017ee by mana\u017ee\u0159i opou\u0161t\u011bli koncern ve velk\u00e9m a sami d\u00e1le rozv\u00edjeli sv\u00e9 projekty. Ale u\u017e m\u00e1me prvn\u00ed p\u0159\u00edpady, kdy si mana\u017ee\u0159i \u0159eknou: \u201ePoj\u010fme n\u011bco ud\u011blat spole\u010dn\u011b. Nyn\u00ed si vezmu oddechov\u00fd \u010das, budu opravdu pe\u010dovat o toto \u201ad\u00edt\u011b\u2018\u201c. J\u00e1 osobn\u011b bych v\u00a0tom v\u0161ak vid\u011bl sp\u00ed\u0161e \u0161anci ne\u017e hrozbu, nebo\u0165 to pouze znamen\u00e1, \u017ee bychom spole\u010dn\u011b za\u010dali rozv\u00edjet v\u00fdborn\u00e9 inovativn\u00ed n\u00e1pady, kter\u00e9 bychom spolu p\u0159ivedli na sv\u011bt. A v\u011b\u0159\u00edm, \u017ee tak\u00e9 innogy m\u00e1 skv\u011bl\u00e9 mo\u017enosti vytvo\u0159it partnerstv\u00ed s\u00a0t\u011bmito startupy, obzvl\u00e1\u0161\u0165 kdy\u017e mana\u017ee\u0159i poch\u00e1zej\u00ed z\u00a0vlastn\u00edho koncernu. Je to ale jist\u011b t\u00e9ma, kter\u00e9mu se v budoucnu budeme muset intenzivn\u011bji v\u011bnovat. Je nesm\u00edrn\u011b d\u016fle\u017eit\u00e9 d\u00e1vat volnost, aby kreativn\u00ed n\u00e1pady v\u016fbec dostaly \u0161anci. To v\u00edme a v\u00a0na\u0161\u00ed firm\u011b jsme vytvo\u0159ili prost\u0159ed\u00ed pro startupy.<\/p>\n

Plus: <\/em>Pavle, n\u011bkolik let jste p\u016fsobil jako vedouc\u00ed solutionarchitect v Accenture. Co bylo pro V\u00e1s hlavn\u00edm impulzem opustit spole\u010dnost a vydat se svou vlastn\u00ed cestou?<\/strong><\/p>\n

Kone\u010dn\u00fd:<\/em><\/strong> Tehdy jsme hledali inovativn\u00ed \u0159e\u0161en\u00ed v\u00a0oblasti cognitivecomputing. Tohle t\u00e9ma m\u011b v\u017edy zaj\u00edmalo. Ud\u011blali jsme s\u00a0kolegy mal\u00fd pilotn\u00ed projekt na rozpozn\u00e1v\u00e1n\u00ed tv\u00e1\u0159\u00ed hr\u00e1\u010d\u016f kriketu pou\u017eit\u00edm neuronov\u00fdch s\u00edt\u00ed. V\u00a0t\u00e9 dob\u011b jsem pracoval v\u00a0Austr\u00e1lii. Zhruba p\u0159ed rokem jsem se kv\u016fli rodin\u011b vr\u00e1til do \u010cech a \u0159ekl si, \u017ee tohle chci d\u011blat naplno. Tak jsme s kamar\u00e1dem za\u010dali zkou\u0161et n\u011bjak\u00e9 m\u00e9 n\u00e1pady. Nejprve na kompresi dat v\u00a0oblasti audio a od toho jsme se posunuli k\u00a0poslechu stroj\u016f.<\/p>\n

Plus:<\/em> Jak velk\u00e9 finan\u010dn\u00ed a osobn\u00ed riziko to bylo? M\u00e1te t\u0159i d\u011bti…<\/strong><\/p>\n

Kone\u010dn\u00fd:<\/em><\/strong> Rozjezd n\u00e1m usnadnil StartupYard, co\u017e je akcelera\u010dn\u00ed program v\u00a0Praze. Loni jsme byli jednou z\u00a0dev\u00edti firem, kter\u00e1 t\u00edmto programem pro\u0161la. Jsme na to hrd\u00ed, proto\u017ee maj\u00ed p\u0159es 300 p\u0159ihl\u00e1\u0161ek. Dali n\u00e1m spoustu dobr\u00fdch rad a kontakt\u016f na za\u010d\u00e1tek a tak\u00e9 po\u010d\u00e1te\u010dn\u00ed investici. \u0158\u00edk\u00e1 se, \u017ee do roka a p\u016fl zmiz\u00ed z\u00a0trhu 90 procent startup\u016f. U nich ta pravd\u011bpodobnost kles\u00e1 na 33. To znamen\u00e1, \u017ee m\u00e1te v\u00edce ne\u017e \u0161estkr\u00e1t v\u011bt\u0161\u00ed \u0161anci, ud\u011blat z\u00a0n\u00e1padu firmu, kter\u00e1 p\u0159e\u017eije, bude zaj\u00edmav\u00e1, bude m\u00edt z\u00e1kazn\u00edky a bude hodnotn\u00e1.<\/p>\n

Plus: <\/em>Maj\u00ed startupist\u00e9 jednodu\u0161\u0161\u00ed \u017eivot?<\/strong><\/p>\n

Kone\u010dn\u00fd:<\/em><\/strong> Elon Musk m\u00e1 pravdu. Zalo\u017eit firmu je jako chroustat sklo. Je to n\u00e1ro\u010dn\u00e9. Samoz\u0159ejm\u011b, \u017ee ka\u017ed\u00fd den p\u0159inese n\u011bco nov\u00e9ho, zaj\u00edmav\u00e9 p\u0159\u00edle\u017eitosti. To \u010dlov\u011bka v\u017edycky nabije. Ale kdy\u017e pak n\u011bco vy\u0159e\u0161\u00edte pro klienta, kter\u00fd m\u00e1 jen na v\u00fdvoj SW na prediktivn\u00ed \u00fadr\u017ebu 500 lid\u00ed, tak pak m\u011bs\u00edc a p\u016fl \u010dek\u00e1te, zda to nebudou cht\u00edt \u0159e\u0161it sami. Nakonec v\u00e1m ud\u011bl\u00e1 radost, kdy\u017e v\u00e1m \u0159eknou, \u017ee se nikam neposunuli a \u017ee do toho p\u016fjdou s\u00a0v\u00e1mi.<\/p>\n

Herrmann: <\/em>Kolik zam\u011bstnanc\u016f m\u00e1te te\u010f? A \u010d\u00edm se zab\u00fdv\u00e1te?<\/strong><\/p>\n

Kone\u010dn\u00fd:<\/em><\/strong> Chceme, aby n\u00e1s v\u00a0b\u0159eznu bylo dvan\u00e1ct, dvakr\u00e1t v\u00edce ne\u017e koncem roku 2016. Te\u010f v\u011bnujeme nejv\u00edc \u010dasu zjednodu\u0161en\u00ed sb\u011bru dat, abychom mohli z\u00e1kazn\u00edkovi poslat jenom malou krabi\u010dku. T\u0159eba u eskal\u00e1tor\u016f. Je to \u00fa\u017easn\u00e9, kdy\u017e vid\u00edte lidi, kte\u0159\u00ed v\u00a0tom pracuj\u00ed l\u00e9ta. My jim pust\u00edme nahr\u00e1vky, oni zav\u0159ou o\u010di a \u0159eknou: \u201eTahle sou\u010d\u00e1stka je rozbit\u00e1.\u201c U\u017e to poznaj\u00ed. A to je to, co my od lid\u00ed z\u00edsk\u00e1me a nau\u010d\u00edme software. Google hraje po\u010d\u00edta\u010dov\u00e9 hry, Facebook necht\u011bn\u011b manipuluje volbami a my se sna\u017e\u00edme techniku um\u011bl\u00e9 inteligence pou\u017e\u00edt na n\u011bco u\u017eite\u010dn\u00e9ho.<\/p>\n

Plus:<\/em> Pane Herrmanne, mluvili jsme o odlivu mozk\u016f. Nem\u00e1te Vy s\u00e1m n\u011bkdy chu\u0165 nechat v\u0161echno le\u017eet, vyu\u017e\u00edt sv\u00fdch schopnost\u00ed a p\u0159edev\u0161\u00edm obrovsk\u00fdch v\u011bdomost\u00ed o firm\u011b, odej\u00edt a zalo\u017eit startup?<\/strong><\/p>\n

Herrmann:<\/em><\/strong> Kdy\u017e jsem v kontaktu se startupisty pln\u00fdmi nad\u0161en\u00ed, potom samoz\u0159ejm\u011b mysl\u00edm na to, pro\u010d jsem to neud\u011blal j\u00e1 s\u00e1m nebo zda bych to p\u0159ece jen nem\u011bl je\u0161t\u011b zkusit. Ale pro m\u011b je tak\u00e9 obrovskou v\u00fdzvou mana\u017eersk\u00fd \u00fakol, profesion\u00e1ln\u011b p\u0159iv\u00e9st koncern jako innogy, tedy restart, do budoucnosti, kter\u00e1 se rapidn\u011b m\u011bn\u00ed. Ale samoz\u0159ejm\u011b kdy\u017e jsem v Palo Alto a jsem v kontaktu s univerzitou Stanford nebo se d\u00edv\u00e1m sm\u011brem k\u00a0Berkeley, potom si \u0159\u00edk\u00e1m: \u201eKdybych byl o 30 let mlad\u0161\u00ed a studoval, ur\u010dit\u011b by m\u011b l\u00e1kalo, b\u00fdt toho sou\u010d\u00e1st\u00ed a odej\u00edt tam.\u201c<\/p>\n

Plus:<\/em> Pavle, cool, rychl\u00fd, flexibiln\u00ed, otev\u0159en\u00fd, entusiastick\u00fd. To jsou vlastnosti, kter\u00e9 jsou \u010dasto citovan\u00e9 u komunity startup\u016f. Co na tom vlastn\u011b je? <\/strong><\/p>\n

Kone\u010dn\u00fd:<\/em><\/strong> Tato komunita vznik\u00e1 t\u0159eba kolem akcelera\u010dn\u00edch program\u016f. Vid\u00edte, jak rychle se d\u00e1 v\u00a0digit\u00e1ln\u00ed a propojen\u00e9 dob\u011b prosadit do cel\u00e9ho sv\u011bta kl\u00ed\u010dov\u00fd n\u00e1pad, kter\u00fd najednou zm\u011bn\u00ed sv\u011bt. Kdyby n\u011bkdo vyvinul opravdu velmi efektivn\u00ed, levn\u00fd sol\u00e1rn\u00ed panel nebo ud\u011blal z\u00e1sadn\u00ed pr\u016flom v ukl\u00e1d\u00e1n\u00ed energie a kdyby se nedej bo\u017ee tyto dv\u011b v\u011bci zkombinovaly, nepot\u0159ebovali bychom ani t\u011b\u017eit uhl\u00ed, ani stav\u011bt atomov\u00e9 elektr\u00e1rny. Cel\u00fd pr\u016fmysl by byl najednou nahrazen n\u011bjakou mladou my\u0161lenkou.<\/p>\n

Plus:<\/em> Co to znamen\u00e1 nap\u0159\u00edklad pro velmi specifick\u00e9 a intenzivn\u00ed \u010desko-n\u011bmeck\u00e9 hospod\u00e1\u0159sk\u00e9 vztahy?<\/strong><\/p>\n

Kone\u010dn\u00fd:<\/em><\/strong> V\u00a0\u010cesku a N\u011bmecku m\u00e1 pr\u016fmyslov\u00e1 v\u00fdroba nejv\u011bt\u0161\u00ed pod\u00edl na HDP. To d\u00e1v\u00e1 nad\u011bji firm\u00e1m profilovat se ve hmotn\u00e9m sv\u011bt\u011b, ve sv\u011bt\u011b atom\u016f. Nejenom ve sv\u011bt\u011b bit\u016f. Nen\u00ed n\u00e1hodou, \u017ee v\u00a0\u010desk\u00e9m n\u00e1rod\u011b kutil\u016f byl vyvinut nejpopul\u00e1rn\u011bj\u0161\u00ed model 3D tisk\u00e1rny, kter\u00fdch se te\u010f prod\u00e1vaj\u00ed tis\u00edcovky m\u011bs\u00ed\u010dn\u011b. Pro startupy m\u00e1me specifick\u00e9 prost\u0159ed\u00ed, pro n\u011b\u017e je sout\u011b\u017e, kterou po\u0159\u00e1dala \u010cNOPK, ide\u00e1ln\u00ed, proto\u017ee velk\u00e9 koncerny v\u00a0\u010cesku po\u0159\u00e1d je\u0161t\u011b nemaj\u00ed dve\u0159e otev\u0159en\u00e9 pro startupy. V\u00a0N\u011bmecku ano. Tam m\u00e1 ka\u017ed\u00e1 v\u011bt\u0161\u00ed firma program, prostory, intern\u00ed lidi, kte\u0159\u00ed v\u00e1m pom\u016f\u017eou prosadit n\u00e1pad skrz regulace a compliance, a p\u0159esv\u011bd\u010d\u00ed spr\u00e1vn\u00e9 lidi. Kdyby se toto poda\u0159ilo p\u0159en\u00e9st do \u010desk\u00e9ho prost\u0159ed\u00ed, moc by to pomohlo.<\/p>\n

Plus: <\/em>Jak zvl\u00e1d\u00e1te intern\u011b z\u00edskat sv\u00e9 kmenov\u00e9 zam\u011bstnance pro novou cestu innogy? A jak se V\u00e1m da\u0159\u00ed nov\u00e9, mlad\u00e9 zam\u011bstnance dlouhodob\u011b udr\u017eet ve firm\u011b?<\/strong><\/p>\n

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Herrmann:<\/em><\/strong> Proces jin\u00e9ho veden\u00ed v obdob\u00ed rychl\u00fdch zm\u011bn jsme zah\u00e1jili p\u0159ed n\u011bkolika lety za veden\u00ed Petera Teriuma(b\u00fdval\u00fd p\u0159edseda p\u0159edstavenstva RWE AG a sou\u010dasn\u00fd p\u0159edseda p\u0159edstavenstva innogy SE, pozn. redakce)<\/em>. T\u00edm nejd\u016fle\u017eit\u011bj\u0161\u00edm p\u0159i tom asi byl program Next-Level-of-Leadership, kter\u00fdm si pro\u0161el cel\u00fd n\u00e1\u0161 top management. Otev\u00edr\u00e1 lidi zm\u011bn\u00e1m a pokou\u0161\u00ed se uvolnit hodn\u011b pozitivn\u00ed energie. Zahrnuje v\u0161e od t\u00e9mat jako rovnov\u00e1ha mezi prac\u00ed a osobn\u00edm \u017eivotem a\u017e po \u201eco mi nab\u00edz\u00ed a ukazuje sv\u011bt venku\u201c, tzn. j\u00edt ven, kontaktovat dal\u0161\u00ed firmy, vid\u011bt, co bychom se tam mohli nau\u010dit. Na\u0161e prom\u011bna tedy neza\u010d\u00ednala od nuly. Ka\u017ed\u00fd vedouc\u00ed pracovn\u00edk pochopil, \u017ee jedinou konstantou je zm\u011bna a \u017ee se zm\u011bnou mus\u00ed ka\u017ed\u00fd za\u010d\u00edt s\u00e1m u sebe. Cel\u00e1 nab\u00eddka innogy bude motivovat mlad\u00e9 lidi, aby se stali sou\u010d\u00e1st\u00ed tohoto \u00fasp\u011b\u0161n\u00e9ho p\u0159\u00edb\u011bhu.<\/p>\n

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Plus: <\/em>M\u00e1te pocit, \u017ee nov\u00e1 innogy od V\u00e1s po\u017eaduje \u00fapln\u011b jin\u00e9 mana\u017eersk\u00e9 kvality?<\/strong><\/p>\n

Herrmann:<\/em><\/strong> Ano, zcela jednozna\u010dn\u011b. Chceme b\u00fdt m\u00e9n\u011b hierarchi\u010dt\u00ed, otev\u0159en\u011bj\u0161\u00ed, chceme rychleji rozhodovat. Chceme v\u00edce naslouchat z\u00e1kazn\u00edk\u016fm a b\u00fdt inovativn\u011bj\u0161\u00ed. Definovali jsme celou \u0159adu pozitivn\u00edch atribut\u016f a k tomu pot\u0159ebujeme speci\u00e1ln\u00ed typ mana\u017eera, kter\u00fd se s\u00a0t\u00edm um\u00ed vypo\u0159\u00e1dat.<\/p>\n

Plus: <\/em>P\u0159i sv\u00e9 ka\u017edodenn\u00ed pr\u00e1ci se pohybujete v p\u0159esn\u011b dan\u00e9m koordina\u010dn\u00edm syst\u00e9mu mezi r\u016fzn\u00fdmi z\u00e1jmy: zam\u011bstnanci, z\u00e1kazn\u00edci, akcion\u00e1\u0159i, konkurence, politika\u2026 Jak to zvl\u00e1d\u00e1te?<\/strong><\/p>\n

Herrmann:<\/em><\/strong> Je to jist\u00e9 um\u011bn\u00ed a tak\u00e9 mana\u017eersk\u00e9 zku\u0161enosti, kter\u00e9 si \u010dasem vybudujete. Je pot\u0159eba stanovit si priority, um\u011bt delegovat pr\u00e1ci, p\u0159iv\u00e9st specialisty na r\u016fzn\u00e9 \u00fakoly a rozli\u0161ovat d\u016fle\u017eit\u00e9 od ned\u016fle\u017eit\u00e9ho. A to se tak\u00e9 m\u011bn\u00ed. Co je d\u016fle\u017eit\u00e9 dnes, z\u00edtra u\u017e d\u016fle\u017eit\u00e9 b\u00fdt nemus\u00ed. Na to je obzvl\u00e1\u0161\u0165 pot\u0159eba d\u00e1vat pozor. A pro m\u011b je d\u016fle\u017eit\u00e9, \u017ee kdy\u017e n\u011bkoho pr\u00e1ce bav\u00ed, zvl\u00e1dne \u017eonglovat s\u00a0v\u00edce m\u00ed\u010dky najednou. Je nutn\u00e9 m\u00edt dobr\u00fd t\u00fdm a vyza\u0159ovat pozitivn\u00ed energii. Potom se mnoh\u00e9 spoj\u00ed a v\u00a0celkov\u00e9m sou\u010dtu je to, doufejme, \u00fasp\u011b\u0161n\u00e9.<\/p>\n

Plus:<\/em> A jak je to s\u00a0Va\u0161\u00edm koordina\u010dn\u00edm syst\u00e9mem, Pavle?<\/strong><\/p>\n

Kone\u010dn\u00fd:<\/em><\/strong> My to m\u00e1me mnohem jednodu\u0161\u0161\u00ed. Pro n\u00e1s existuje jenom jedno slovo, a to z\u00e1kazn\u00edk. Kdyby Uber \u0159e\u0161il, jestli jeho \u0159idi\u010di mus\u00ed m\u00edt taxik\u00e1\u0159skou koncesi, nikdy by nevznikl. On to ale \u0159e\u0161\u00ed, a\u017e kdy\u017e to firmu za\u010dne bolet.<\/p>\n

Plus:<\/em> Co V\u00e1m ned\u00e1 sp\u00e1t? <\/strong><\/p>\n

Herrmann:<\/em><\/strong> Kdybych se v noci dostate\u010dn\u011b nevyspal, pravd\u011bpodobn\u011b bych nena\u010derpal dost sil na to, abych zvl\u00e1dl ve\u0161ker\u00fd sv\u016fj program.<\/p>\n

Kone\u010dn\u00fd:<\/em><\/strong> \u017de se r\u00e1no probud\u00edm a d\u011bti u\u017e budou velk\u00e9 a j\u00e1 jsem si je neu\u017eil.<\/p>\n

Plus:<\/em> Kolik hodin sp\u00e1nku zpravidla pot\u0159ebujete?<\/strong><\/p>\n

Kone\u010dn\u00fd:<\/em><\/strong> Sedm.<\/p>\n

Plus: <\/em>A m\u00e1te je?<\/strong><\/p>\n

Kone\u010dn\u00fd:<\/em><\/strong> Po\u010dkejte (d\u00edv\u00e1 se na sv\u00e9 chytr\u00e9 hodinky<\/em>). Dneska jsem spal jenom 6 hodin a 47 minut, ale pr\u016fm\u011br za posledn\u00ed dny m\u00e1m 7 hodin 26 minut. Tak\u017ee tento t\u00fdden je to dobr\u00e9.<\/p>\n

Plus:<\/em> A Vy, pane Herrmanne?<\/strong><\/p>\n

Herrmann:<\/em><\/strong> J\u00e1 sp\u00edm tak kolem \u0161esti hodin. Ty ur\u010dit\u011b pot\u0159ebuji.<\/p>\n

Plus:<\/em> Kdy\u017e sn\u00edte o z\u00edt\u0159ku, co vid\u00edte?<\/strong><\/p>\n

Kone\u010dn\u00fd:<\/em><\/strong> Mysl\u00edm, \u017ee v\u00a0horizontu des\u00edtek let budou m\u00edt lid\u00e9 na v\u00fdb\u011br. Bu\u010f p\u0159esunou svoji mysl do stroje a budou \u017e\u00edt v\u011b\u010dn\u011b, nebo se rozhodnou zem\u0159\u00edt. Tohle rozhodnut\u00ed bude m\u00edt ka\u017ed\u00fd p\u0159ed sebou.<\/p>\n

Herrmann:<\/em><\/strong> Tak daleko do budoucnosti se ned\u00edv\u00e1m, proto\u017ee si mysl\u00edm, \u017ee v\u0161echny progn\u00f3zy budoucnosti v minulosti sp\u00ed\u0161e selhaly.<\/p>\n

Plus:<\/em> A kdy\u017e mysl\u00edte na z\u00edt\u0159ek ve sv\u00e9m osobn\u00edm \u017eivot\u011b?<\/strong><\/p>\n

Herrmann:<\/em><\/strong> Byl bych r\u00e1d, kdyby m\u016fj \u017eivot byl digit\u00e1ln\u00ed a analogov\u00fd z\u00e1rove\u0148. N\u011bkdy je dobr\u00e9 nabrat s\u00edlu v\u00a0p\u0159\u00edrod\u011b a neb\u00fdt permanentn\u011b k zasti\u017een\u00ed.<\/p>\n

Plus:<\/em> P\u00e1nov\u00e9, d\u011bkuji V\u00e1m za rozhovor.<\/strong><\/p>\n

Autor: Christian R\u00fchmkorf, \u010cNOPK\/fotky:\u00a0Tom\u00e1\u0161 \u017delezn\u00fd<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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