{"id":8110,"date":"2023-05-31T10:28:59","date_gmt":"2023-05-31T08:28:59","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/emagazin.plus\/?p=8110"},"modified":"2025-02-06T11:10:08","modified_gmt":"2025-02-06T10:10:08","slug":"dagmar-peckova-pavel-kuka","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/emagazin.plus\/cz\/dagmar-peckova-pavel-kuka\/","title":{"rendered":"Rozhovor: Dagmar Peckov\u00e1 & Pavel Kuka"},"content":{"rendered":"\n

Dva, co na to nem\u011bli. Pr\u00fd.<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n

Slavn\u00e1 opern\u00ed p\u011bvkyn\u011b a legenda \u010desk\u00e9ho fotbalu. Dagmar Peckov\u00e1 a Pavel Kuka prorazili v N\u011bmecku a mezin\u00e1rodn\u00ed sl\u00e1vu si zajistili ka\u017ed\u00fd v jin\u00e9 discipl\u00edn\u011b, ve fin\u00e1le mistrostv\u00ed Evropy ve fotbale 1996 je ale osud zavedl na jedno h\u0159i\u0161t\u011b. Ona p\u0159ed kr\u00e1lovnou Al\u017eb\u011btou a dal\u0161\u00edmi 70 tis\u00edci div\u00e1ky zazp\u00edvala \u010deskou n\u00e1rodn\u00ed hymnu, on p\u0159edvedl sv\u016fj pov\u011bstn\u00fd tah na br\u00e1nu. Soupe\u0159em \u010desk\u00e9ho t\u00fdmu v boji o zlato bylo N\u011bmecko, velk\u00fd z\u00e1padn\u00ed soused. A taky: druh\u00fd domov pro Dagmar Peckovou i Pavla Kuku.<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n

Pan\u00ed Peckov\u00e1, co pro v\u00e1s znamen\u00e1 fotbal?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n

DP: <\/strong>Nejv\u011bt\u0161\u00ed z\u00e1\u017eitek z fotbalu jsem m\u011bla samoz\u0159ejm\u011b ve Wembley 1996. Ale kdy\u017e jsem byla mal\u00e1 holka, m\u00e1m\u011b \u0159\u00edkali, \u017ee si po\u0159\u00eddila nepoveden\u00e9ho kluka. Po\u0159\u00e1d jsem byla s klukama n\u011bkde na h\u0159i\u0161ti s m\u00ed\u010dem. Necht\u011bla jsem se u\u010dit hr\u00e1t na klav\u00edr, necht\u011bla jsem se u\u010dit nic. Zato \u010dut\u00e1n\u00ed m\u011b bavilo. Akor\u00e1t spoluhr\u00e1\u010di m\u011b nem\u011bli r\u00e1di, proto\u017ee jsem v\u017edycky st\u0159elila vlastn\u00ed g\u00f3l.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

A pro v\u00e1s hudba, pane Kuko?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n

PK:<\/strong> Emoce. Hudbu m\u00e1m r\u00e1d, je pro m\u011b hodn\u011b spojen\u00e1 cestov\u00e1n\u00edm a s autem, znamen\u00e1 sp\u00ed\u0161 odpo\u010dinek. N\u011bkdy p\u0159epnu na klasiku\u2026 A to pak p\u0159ijdou emoce. S\u00e1m ji ale p\u0159\u00edli\u0161 nevyhled\u00e1v\u00e1m.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

DP:<\/strong> Pokud v\u00e1s klasick\u00e1 hudba natolik oslov\u00ed, \u017ee to ve v\u00e1s vyvol\u00e1 emoce, tak nech\u00e1pu, \u017ee ji nevyhled\u00e1v\u00e1te!<\/p>\n\n\n\n

PK:<\/strong> Jsem kulturn\u00ed barbar.<\/p>\n\n\n

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\u010c\u00edm je pro v\u00e1s N\u011bmecko?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n

DP: <\/strong>Druh\u00fdm domovem. Za\u010d\u00ednala jsem ve v\u00fdchodn\u00edm N\u011bmecku, v roce 1985 v Dr\u00e1\u017e\u010fanech. Necht\u011bli m\u011b v N\u00e1rodn\u00edm, byla jsem z toho stra\u0161n\u011b smutn\u00e1 a zklaman\u00e1. Kdyby tenkr\u00e1t nebyla zamrzl\u00e1 Vltava, b\u016fhv\u00ed, jak by to dopadlo. Jeden zn\u00e1m\u00fd z opern\u00edho studia v Dr\u00e1\u017e\u010fanech mi \u0159ekl: \u201ePoj\u010f to zkusit k n\u00e1m.\u201c V \u010cesku jsem byla operetn\u00ed, muzik\u00e1lov\u00e1 zp\u011bva\u010dka, tak\u017ee moje anga\u017em\u00e1 pro N\u00e1rodn\u00ed nep\u0159ich\u00e1zelo v \u00favahu. V N\u011bmecku ale tyhle p\u0159edsudky nem\u011bli. Jejich \u0161\u00e9f ke mn\u011b p\u0159i\u0161el, objal m\u011b a \u0159ekl, \u017ee m\u00e1m n\u00e1dhern\u00fd hlas a \u017ee jsem jeho poklad. Tak se pak nedivte, \u017ee N\u011bmecko pro m\u011b znamenalo stra\u0161n\u011b moc.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

PK:<\/strong> J\u00e1 jsem se c\u00edtil \u00fapln\u011b stejn\u011b, jen jsem to nedost\u00e1val tak siln\u011b najevo. Tren\u00e9\u0159i v \u010cesku mi dvakr\u00e1t \u0159ekli, \u017ee na to nem\u00e1m. D\u00edky tomu jsem se ale posunul n\u011bkam \u00fapln\u011b jinam. V\u016fbec jsem nehr\u00e1l dorosteneckou ligu, proto\u017ee mi \u0159ekli, \u017ee na ni nem\u00e1m. V 17 letech jsem za\u010dal hr\u00e1t za dosp\u011bl\u00e9, ale ni\u017e\u0161\u00ed sout\u011b\u017e. Do N\u011bmecka jsem \u0161el jako neuzn\u00e1van\u00fd hr\u00e1\u010d. V Kaiserslauternu ke mn\u011b po 2-3 tr\u00e9ninc\u00edch p\u0159i\u0161el tren\u00e9r Friedel Rausch a \u0159ekl: takov\u00e9ho hr\u00e1\u010de tady nem\u00e1me, ale pot\u0159ebujeme!<\/p>\n\n\n\n

\u201ePoka\u017ed\u00e9, kdy\u017e p\u0159ejedu hranice, c\u00edt\u00edm se tam stra\u0161n\u011b dob\u0159e.\u201c<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n

Za\u010d\u00e1tky asi nebyly lehk\u00e9\u2026<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n

DP: <\/strong>J\u00e1 jsem taky ze za\u010d\u00e1tku ka\u017ed\u00fd ve\u010der bre\u010dela na spakovan\u00e9m kufru. V Praze jsem byla obletovan\u00e1 operetn\u00ed a muzik\u00e1lov\u00e1 diva, na ka\u017ed\u00e9m prstu jsem m\u011bla 10 kluk\u016f. Tam nic. Prvn\u00edho p\u016fl roku, rok jsem z toho byla zoufal\u00e1.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

PK:<\/strong> Tady byl mezi n\u00e1mi tro\u0161ku rozd\u00edl. Fotbalisti byli tenkr\u00e1t popul\u00e1rn\u00ed, zvl\u00e1\u0161t\u011b v z\u00e1padn\u00edm N\u011bmecku. Za\u010d\u00e1tky byly ka\u017edop\u00e1dn\u011b t\u011b\u017ek\u00e9, ale mus\u00edm potvrdit, \u017ee pocit druh\u00e9ho domova v N\u011bmecku m\u00e1m \u00fapln\u011b stejn\u00fd. Poka\u017ed\u00e9, kdy\u017e p\u0159ejedu hranice, tak se tam c\u00edt\u00edm stra\u0161n\u011b dob\u0159e. Co\u017e tady mo\u017en\u00e1 nebude zn\u00edt \u00fapln\u011b popul\u00e1rn\u011b.<\/p>\n\n\n

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Jak se b\u011bhem va\u0161\u00ed kari\u00e9ry v N\u011bmecku zm\u011bnil v\u00e1\u0161 pohled na vlastn\u00ed zemi? Odstup \u010dasto pom\u00e1h\u00e1 vid\u011bt v\u011bci jasn\u011bji.<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n

PK:<\/strong> U m\u011b to je jednoduch\u00e9. Uvid\u011bl jsem, jak se v\u011bci daj\u00ed d\u011blat a jak se nemaj\u00ed d\u011blat a jak\u00e1 cesta vede k v\u011bt\u0161\u00edmu \u00fasp\u011bchu ne\u017e to, co jsme pro\u017e\u00edvali tady. Ale to asi bylo dan\u00e9 t\u011bmi 40 lety komunismu. Jsem p\u0159esv\u011bd\u010den, \u017ee v\u0161echny tyhle v\u011bci, kter\u00e9 \u0159e\u0161\u00edme, zp\u016fsobilo t\u011bch brut\u00e1ln\u00edch a zvr\u00e1cen\u00fdch 40 let komunismu, pln\u00fdch fyzick\u00fdch a mor\u00e1ln\u00edch likvidac\u00ed lidsk\u00fdch \u017eivot\u016f.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

DP: <\/strong>J\u00e1 m\u00e1m po\u0159\u00e1d dojem, \u017ee co se stane v N\u011bmecku, pozoruju, \u017ee u n\u00e1s k tomu za\u010d\u00edn\u00e1 doch\u00e1zet za 10, za 15 let a pomali\u010dku se to tak n\u011bjak posouv\u00e1 k 20 let\u016fm. A \u010ce\u0161i se necht\u011bj\u00ed pou\u010dit z chyb nebo z v\u011bc\u00ed, kter\u00e9 N\u011bmecko ud\u011blalo dob\u0159e. My tady te\u010f kyd\u00e1me hn\u016fj na to, \u017ee si N\u011bmci vypnuli atomov\u00e9 elektr\u00e1rny a j\u00e1 nev\u00edm, co v\u0161echno\u2026 Ale v\u017edy\u0165 tam se u\u017e nejm\u00e9n\u011b 40 let diskutuje, kam s jadern\u00fdm odpadem. To tady v \u010cesku nikoho nezaj\u00edm\u00e1. My se nenech\u00e1me pou\u010dit, my si to budeme pali\u010dat\u011b d\u011blat sami na koleni a s ur\u010ditost\u00ed dojdeme k \u00fapln\u011b stejn\u00e9mu z\u00e1v\u011bru jako ti N\u011bmci p\u0159ed 20, 30, 40 lety.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

\u201eNa zkou\u0161ky je tam minutovn\u00edk.\u201c<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n


\u0158\u00edk\u00e1 se, \u017ee \u010ce\u0161i improvizuj\u00ed a N\u011bmci pl\u00e1nuj\u00ed. Plat\u00ed to st\u00e1le? Jak to bylo se zkou\u0161kami v divadle, koncerty, tr\u00e9ninky a z\u00e1pasy? Za\u017eili jste v\u00fdrazn\u011b jin\u00fd p\u0159\u00edstup v N\u011bmecku ne\u017e v \u010cesku?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n

DP:<\/strong> V\u00fdrazn\u011b jin\u00fd. A je do dne\u0161ka. V \u010cesku v\u00e1s vyn\u00e1\u0161ej\u00ed z divadla nohama nap\u0159ed. To u\u017e v N\u011bmecku ani v cel\u00e9m z\u00e1padn\u00edm sv\u011bt\u011b d\u00e1vno nen\u00ed. Pokud opravdu nejste prvot\u0159\u00eddn\u00ed, v \u017e\u00e1dn\u00e9m divadle v\u00e1s nezam\u011bstnaj\u00ed a\u017e do d\u016fchodu. Abyste se do konce kari\u00e9ry u\u017eivili jako um\u011blec, mus\u00edte b\u00fdt v\u00fdjime\u010dn\u00fd. Tady t\u0159eba zp\u00edv\u00e1te 3x do roka jako s\u00f3listka St\u00e1tn\u00ed opery v Praze, zbytek chod\u00edte kolem divadla, ale dost\u00e1v\u00e1te st\u00e1l\u00fd m\u011bs\u00ed\u010dn\u00ed plat. A\u0165 se pak nikdo nediv\u00ed, \u017ee nen\u00ed na kulturu, prachy se vyhazuj\u00ed z okna. V N\u011bmecku je taky samoz\u0159ejm\u011b v\u0161echno \u201epenibel\u201c \u2013 pl\u00e1novan\u00e9, na zkou\u0161ky je tam minutovn\u00edk.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

\u201eBrut\u00e1ln\u00ed tr\u00e9ninky a z\u00e1pasy p\u0159ed 3 tis\u00edci div\u00e1ky\u201c<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n


Kdy\u017e jste p\u0159i\u0161el do Kaiserslauternu, bylo v\u00e1m \u0159e\u010deno, \u017ee takov\u00e9ho hr\u00e1\u010de v N\u011bmecku nemaj\u00ed. Talent, mo\u017en\u00e1 jin\u00fd form\u00e1t hry v \u010cech\u00e1ch. A co p\u0159\u00edstup v tr\u00e9ninku?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n

PK: <\/strong>Dneska je to jinak, ale tehdy bylo jednodu\u0161\u0161\u00ed tr\u00e9novat a hr\u00e1t v N\u011bmecku ne\u017e v \u010cesku. Odsud jsem znal brut\u00e1ln\u00ed tr\u00e9ninky a z\u00e1pasy p\u0159ed 3 tis\u00edci div\u00e1ky. To se pak podep\u00ed\u0161e na va\u0161\u00ed motivaci, v\u00edcem\u00e9n\u011b se hlavn\u011b chcete dostat do vysp\u011bl\u00fdch fotbalov\u00fdch zem\u00ed, do t\u00e9 prvn\u00ed p\u011btky \u2013 Premier League, Bundesliga, italsk\u00e1 liga, \u0160pan\u011blsko, Francie. Mn\u011b se to na\u0161t\u011bst\u00ed povedlo. Ale kdy\u017e z\u016fstanete, jako hr\u00e1\u010d otup\u00edte a u\u017e se ani nem\u016f\u017eete zlep\u0161ovat. V tom vid\u00edm hlavn\u00ed rozd\u00edl. V N\u011bmecku jsme tr\u00e9novali modern\u011bji, v\u0161echno bylo daleko jednodu\u0161\u0161\u00ed. A na z\u00e1pas p\u0159i\u0161lo 50 tis\u00edc div\u00e1k\u016f. To pak nebyla pot\u0159eba \u017e\u00e1dn\u00e1 motivace, \u017e\u00e1dn\u00e9 rozcvi\u010dov\u00e1n\u00ed. \u0160lo to samo. Kdy\u017e u\u017e jsem se tam dostal, bylo to pro m\u011b velmi jednoduch\u00e9 a p\u0159\u00edjemn\u00e9.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

DP:<\/strong> Ale jak vid\u00edte, tak v\u011bt\u0161ina nejenom z fotbalu, ale i z kultury se tou\u017e\u00ed dostat odsud pry\u010d. A kdy\u017e prop\u00e1snete ten spr\u00e1vn\u00fd okam\u017eik, kdy odej\u00edt, a opravdu tady v tom zatuchl\u00e9m rybn\u00ed\u010dku z\u016fstanete, nem\u00e1 to budoucnost.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

PK: <\/strong>U sportu se \u010dasy m\u011bn\u00ed. Te\u010f u\u017e jsme konkurenceschopn\u00ed Evrop\u011b, alespo\u0148 po ekonomick\u00e9 str\u00e1nce. Oproti minulosti je to nesrovnateln\u00e9 i na Z\u00e1pad\u011b, kde je i kv\u016fli obrovsk\u00e9 migraci obrovsk\u00e1 konkurence.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Jsou si dnes na\u0161e zem\u011b bl\u00ed\u017e ne\u017e v 90. letech, nebo je tomu naopak?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n

PK:<\/strong> Mysl\u00edm, \u017ee jsou si bl\u00ed\u017ee, ale boj\u00ed se o tom mluvit. Mysl\u00edm, \u017ee tento n\u00e1zor se boj\u00ed spousta lid\u00ed vyj\u00e1d\u0159it, ne\u0159\u00edk\u00e1me si pravdu. Chceme, aby tu z\u016fstala na\u0161e kultura a tradice, proto\u017ee lidi se nem\u016f\u017eou zm\u011bnit za 50 let. Tud\u00ed\u017e kdy\u017e n\u011bkdo p\u0159ijde z jin\u00e9ho sv\u011btad\u00edlu nebo z jin\u00e9 kultury, tak trv\u00e1 tis\u00edce let, ne\u017e se zm\u011bn\u00ed. Te\u010f se to stra\u0161n\u011b rychle prom\u00edch\u00e1v\u00e1 a m\u016f\u017ee to p\u0159in\u00e9st, resp. u\u017e to p\u0159in\u00e1\u0161\u00ed spousty probl\u00e9m\u016f. Mysl\u00edm, \u017ee v tomhle ob\u011b zem\u011b maj\u00ed obrovsk\u00e9 probl\u00e9my. A ty budou v\u00edc a v\u00edc eskalovat.<\/p>\n\n\n\n


\u0158\u00edk\u00e1te, zem\u011b jsou si bl\u00ed\u017ee, ale sp\u00ed\u0161 v negativn\u00edm smyslu? Sd\u00edl\u00ed stejn\u00e9 probl\u00e9my?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n

PK:<\/strong> Ano.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

DP:<\/strong> Taky tu m\u00e1me p\u00e1r populistick\u00fdch politik\u016f, kte\u0159\u00ed se sice sna\u017e\u00ed nar\u00e1\u017eet na ty probl\u00e9my, kter\u00e9 jste nazna\u010dil, sna\u017e\u00ed se je \u0159e\u0161it, ale blb\u011b, populisticky. My jsme se bohu\u017eel v\u016f\u010di t\u0159et\u00edmu sv\u011btu b\u011bhem posledn\u00edch 500 let taky nezachovali \u00fapln\u011b nejl\u00e9pe. Ono to je v\u0161echno takov\u00e9 slo\u017eit\u00e9 a m\u00e1 svoje d\u016fvody. Ocitli jsme se v dob\u011b, kter\u00e1 je d\u016fsledkem t\u00e9 minulosti.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

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Oba za sebou m\u00e1te p\u011bknou \u0159\u00e1dku \u00fasp\u011bch\u016f. Co ale pova\u017eujete za ten nejv\u011bt\u0161\u00ed?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n

PK:<\/strong> Asi zahrani\u010dn\u00ed anga\u017em\u00e1. A samoz\u0159ejm\u011b nab\u00eddka z Manchester United. To ale bylo na m\u011b, na kluka, kter\u00fd vyrostl v komunismu, tro\u0161ku moc.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

DP:<\/strong> Nejv\u011bt\u0161\u00ed \u00fasp\u011bch je to, \u017ee jsem se udr\u017eela 30 let v zahrani\u010dn\u00edch anga\u017em\u00e1. Nemysl\u00edm, \u017ee se tady s t\u00edm m\u016f\u017ee n\u011bkdo jin\u00fd pochlubit. Na jevi\u0161ti jsem 42 let, z toho 30 pln\u00fdch sezon na zahrani\u010dn\u00edch sc\u00e9n\u00e1ch. To je asi m\u016fj nejv\u011bt\u0161\u00ed \u00fasp\u011bch.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

\u201e\u0158ekla jsem si: J\u00e1 v\u00e1m uk\u00e1\u017eu.\u201c<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n

D\u016fle\u017eitou roli asi hr\u00e1la v\u00e1\u0161e\u0148\u2026<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n

DP: <\/strong>A taky stra\u0161n\u00e1 zabedn\u011bnost to dok\u00e1zat. U m\u011b to asi za\u010dalo t\u00edm, \u017ee jsem si \u0159ekla: J\u00e1 v\u00e1m uk\u00e1\u017eu. Kdy\u017e mi \u0159ekli, \u017ee nem\u00e1m talent, tak jsem \u0161la jinam. A b\u011bhem dvou, t\u0159\u00ed let u\u017e jsem byla v Berl\u00edn\u011b, v Pa\u0159\u00ed\u017ei, v Lond\u00fdn\u011b, v\u0161ude mo\u017en\u011b. Byl to raketov\u00fd start. Pak u\u017e m\u011b to samoz\u0159ejm\u011b nutilo se tam udr\u017eet. To je daleko t\u011b\u017e\u0161\u00ed ne\u017e stoupat. Tvrdohlavost, ale taky d\u0159ina.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

\u201eZamiloval jsem se do N\u011bmky.\u201c<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n


PK: <\/strong>Souhlas\u00edm, to je ve sportu stejn\u00e9. Asi taky trochu geny. Jsme byli fotbalov\u00e1 rodina, tak\u017ee jsem m\u011bl po t\u00e1tovi co zd\u011bdit. Dal\u0161\u00ed d\u016fle\u017eit\u00e1 v\u011bc: discipl\u00edna. Bez n\u00ed toho ve sportu moc nedok\u00e1\u017eete. A taky se p\u0159izn\u00e1m, \u017ee jsem jako kluk stra\u0161n\u011b tou\u017eil po popularit\u011b. M\u011bl jsem obrovskou motivaci. V 18 letech jsem se zamiloval do N\u011bmky. Byla moc hezk\u00e1, ale nerozum\u011bl jsem j\u00ed ani slovo. Sl\u00edbil jsem j\u00ed, \u017ee si pro ni jednou p\u0159ijedu. Ale kdy\u017e jsem do N\u011bmecka p\u0159i\u0161el, u\u017e jsem byl \u017eenatej.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

V podnik\u00e1n\u00ed \u010dlov\u011bk \u010dasto d\u011bl\u00e1 chladn\u00e1 racion\u00e1ln\u00ed mana\u017eersk\u00e1 rozhodnut\u00ed, pokud mo\u017eno neovlivn\u011bn\u00e1 emocemi. Jak d\u016fle\u017eit\u00e9 byly ve va\u0161\u00ed kari\u00e9\u0159e emoce?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n

DP:<\/strong> Od toho, aby se d\u011blala n\u011bjak\u00e1 moudr\u00e1 rozhodnut\u00ed, m\u00e1me mana\u017eery. S moj\u00ed horkou hlavou bych toho asi moc nedomluvila. Jsem velmi p\u0159\u00edm\u00fd \u010dlov\u011bk, a kdy\u017e se mi n\u011bco nel\u00edb\u00ed, d\u00e1m to siln\u011b najevo. Takhle bych se fakt nikam nedostala. A samoz\u0159ejm\u011b: jako um\u011blec nem\u016f\u017eete nem\u00edt emoce. Jsou va\u0161\u00edm vyjad\u0159ovac\u00edm prost\u0159edkem, a\u0165 u\u017e jde o barvu hlasu, v\u00fdraz, \u0159e\u010d t\u011bla\u2026<\/p>\n\n\n\n

PK:<\/strong> Zaj\u00edmav\u00e9 je, \u017ee my sportovci to m\u00e1me \u00fapln\u011b stejn\u00e9. Emoce jsou nutnost. Na usm\u011br\u0148ov\u00e1n\u00ed jsou ve fotbale agenti. L\u00edp to ale popisuje n\u011bmeck\u00e9 slovo Spielberater: agent rad\u00ed, ale rozhodnut\u00ed mus\u00ed v\u017edycky nakonec u\u010dinit hr\u00e1\u010d.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

\u201ePotom p\u0159epnete na autopilota.\u201c<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n


Jak na sob\u011b vn\u00edm\u00e1te, kdy\u017e to, co v\u00e1s p\u0159ivedlo k \u00fasp\u011bchu, s v\u011bkem pomalu miz\u00ed? Jak se s t\u00edm vyrovn\u00e1v\u00e1te? Vytvo\u0159it druhou kari\u00e9ru?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n

DP:<\/strong> Hlasivky, to jsou dva mal\u00e9 sval\u00ed\u010dky. Je jasn\u00e9, \u017ee \u010dasem ve\u0161ker\u00e9 nejenom venkovn\u00ed, ale hlavn\u011b psychick\u00e9 tlaky maj\u00ed na hlas stra\u0161n\u00fd vliv. \u010casem p\u0159ijdou fyzik\u00e1ln\u00ed t\u011blesn\u00e9 stavy, co se d\u011bj\u00ed s \u017eensk\u00fdm t\u011blem po 50, co si budeme pov\u00eddat. Potom p\u0159epnete na autopilota \u2013 to je stra\u0161n\u00e9, to nikomu nep\u0159eju. Ve fin\u00e1le pak uzn\u00e1te, \u017ee to u\u017e nejde ani s t\u00edm autopilotem. No, a tak pak si hled\u00e1te n\u011bco jin\u00e9ho. V m\u00e9m v\u011bku u\u017e v podstat\u011b nezp\u00edv\u00e1 nikdo. U\u010dit by m\u011b nebavilo, hr\u00e1t babi\u010dky na jevi\u0161ti taky ne. Tak jsem si \u0159\u00edkala: Co bude\u0161 d\u011blat? Ob\u010das zp\u00edv\u00e1m, d\u011bl\u00e1m koncerty. To m\u011b bav\u00ed, zp\u00edvat p\u00edsn\u011b Kurta Weilla a takov\u00e9hle v\u011bci. Dala jsem se do kupy se \u0161\u00e9fem \u010dinohry v Mlad\u00e9 Boleslavi, kde maj\u00ed kr\u00e1sn\u00e9 divadlo. On m\u011b tenkr\u00e1t potkal: Pan\u00ed Peckov\u00e1, m\u011bl bych pro v\u00e1s takovej n\u00e1vrh. Callasov\u00e1 a Mistrovsk\u00e1 lekce od Terenze McNally. Zn\u00e1te to? J\u00e1 pov\u00edd\u00e1m: Ne. A on: Cht\u011bla byste to d\u011blat? No jasn\u011b! Pak mi p\u0159i\u0161la kniha, kter\u00e1 m\u00e1 44 stran hust\u011b popsan\u00e9ho textu, z \u010deho\u017e hlavn\u00ed postavou jsem j\u00e1. No, ale nau\u010dila jsem se to. Z\u00edtra hrajeme v Kalichu. A ono to tady bude je\u0161t\u011b v listopadu. Nakonec je to stejn\u011b jako p\u0159edzp\u00edv\u00e1n\u00ed v Dr\u00e1\u017e\u010fanech v 1985: \u010dlov\u011bk na n\u011bco k\u00fdvne a vyklube se z toho docela dobr\u00e1 v\u011bc. Hlavn\u011b ni\u010deho nelitovat! N\u011bco skon\u010dilo, n\u011bco hezk\u00e9ho za\u010d\u00edn\u00e1.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

PK:<\/strong> Mysl\u00edm, \u017ee \u010dlov\u011bk se po\u0159\u00e1d n\u011bco u\u010d\u00ed, n\u011bjak se vyv\u00edj\u00ed. J\u00e1 se u\u010d\u00edm t\u00edm, co jsem za\u017eil, a co skon\u010dilo. U\u010d\u00edm se s t\u00edm n\u011bjak\u00fdm zp\u016fsobem vyj\u00edt. Nejenom ve sportovn\u00edm, ale i v soukrom\u00e9m \u017eivot\u011b. \u010clov\u011bk se po\u0159\u00e1d u\u010d\u00ed nov\u00fdm v\u011bcem, pozn\u00e1v\u00e1 n\u011bco atd. Ode\u0161el mi t\u00e1ta. To pro m\u011b byla obrovsk\u00e1 \u017eivotn\u00ed zm\u011bna. Najednou \u010dlov\u011bk zjist\u00ed, pro\u010d n\u011bkter\u00e9 v\u011bci d\u011blal. Taky jsem cht\u011bl d\u011blat n\u011bco norm\u00e1ln\u00edho, n\u011bco s p\u0159esahem: t\u0159eba charitu, pom\u00e1hat lidem. Fotbalisti si nesou stigma lehko\u017eivk\u016f, tak se \u010dlov\u011bk sna\u017e\u00ed n\u011bco d\u011blal. U\u010d\u00ed se d\u00e1l a d\u00e1l.<\/p>\n\n\n

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\u201eO\u010dek\u00e1v\u00e1n\u00ed sv\u011bta od n\u00e1s a na\u0161e od sv\u011bta\u201c<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n


Poj\u010fme k mistrovstv\u00ed Evropy 1996: fin\u00e1le, kr\u00e1lovna, Helmut Kohl, V\u00e1clav Havel, p\u0159es 70 tis\u00edc div\u00e1k\u016f. Dv\u011b sousedn\u00ed zem\u011b, \u010cesko a N\u011bmecko, v\u00edt\u011bz m\u016f\u017ee b\u00fdt jen jeden. Dagmar Peckov\u00e1 u mikrofonu, Pavel Kuka u balonu\u2026<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n

DP: <\/strong>Pro m\u011b to bylo n\u011bco neuv\u011b\u0159iteln\u00e9ho: to mu\u017estvo reprezentovalo tehdej\u0161\u00ed republiku, Havla, otev\u0159en\u00e9 devades\u00e1tky, o\u010dek\u00e1v\u00e1n\u00ed sv\u011bta od n\u00e1s a na\u0161e od sv\u011bta. Vlastn\u011b jsem tam byla za ob\u011b strany. Vedle m\u011b Becker, Kohl, Havel, kr\u00e1lovna. Neuv\u011b\u0159iteln\u00fd pocit, neuv\u011b\u0159iteln\u00fd z\u00e1\u017eitek. Nikdy na to nezapomenu.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Pro v\u00e1s to bude t\u011b\u017e\u0161\u00ed \u2013 vy jste ur\u010dit\u011b nevn\u00edmal v\u0161echno kolem, vy jste se musel soust\u0159edit. Na stadionu 73 tis\u00edc lid\u00ed, kte\u0159\u00ed cht\u011bli vid\u011bt fotbal, ne Helmuta Kohla nebo V\u00e1clava Havla.<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n

PK: <\/strong>Up\u0159\u00edmn\u011b, nevn\u00edmal jsem ani tu kr\u00e1lovnu. Nezaj\u00edmalo m\u011b \u017e\u00e1dn\u00e9 pod\u00e1n\u00ed ruky, \u017e\u00e1dn\u00e1 kr\u00e1lovna. V tu chv\u00edli jsem m\u011bl v hlav\u011b jenom jedno: ty obrovsk\u00e9 nervy a emoce. V\u0161echno ostatn\u00ed mi v tu chv\u00edli p\u0159ek\u00e1\u017eelo.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Kdo byl va\u0161\u00edm protihr\u00e1\u010dem v n\u011bmeck\u00e9m t\u00fdmu? Kdo v\u00e1s m\u011bl hl\u00eddat?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n

PK:<\/strong> Ve fin\u00e1le m\u011b hl\u00eddal Markus Babbel. Na\u0161t\u011bst\u00ed se mu to moc neda\u0159ilo. Pro m\u011b to byl dobr\u00fd z\u00e1pas. Jenom jsem se zase tradi\u010dn\u011b netrefil.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

\u201eU\u017e spal na stole …\u201c<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n

Dagmar Peckov\u00e1 trefila t\u00f3n, vy jste netrefil g\u00f3l?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n

PK:<\/strong> J\u00e1 trefil brank\u00e1\u0159e! To byl m\u016fj nejv\u011bt\u0161\u00ed soupe\u0159. Andy K\u00f6pke. Pak jsem s n\u00edm hr\u00e1l v Norimberku, bezvadn\u00fd kluk. Dodnes jsme v kontaktu. Kdy\u017e se mi narodil syn, najednou mi Andy volal, \u017ee je v Praze na leti\u0161ti. P\u0159ilet\u011bl z Br\u00e9m, abychom oslavili syna. To bylo pro m\u011b velk\u00e9 p\u0159ekvapen\u00ed i z\u00e1\u017eitek. Na oslav\u011b tenkr\u00e1t bylo cel\u00e9 n\u00e1rodn\u00ed mu\u017estvo, proto\u017ee ve st\u0159edu se hr\u00e1l reprezenta\u010dn\u00ed z\u00e1pas. Kdy\u017e Andy vid\u011bl, jak v\u0161ichni slav\u00ed, jenom se divil: \u201eTihle budou ve st\u0159edu hr\u00e1t?\u201c A j\u00e1 \u0159\u00edk\u00e1m: \u201eAno, ti v\u0161ichni budou ve st\u0159edu hr\u00e1t.\u201c Honza Koller u\u017e spal na stole\u2026 A z\u00e1pas? Vyhr\u00e1li jsme 1:0 se Slov\u00e1ky, a ten g\u00f3l dal Honza.<\/p>\n\n\n

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Oba m\u00e1te d\u011bti. Jak vlastn\u011b skloubit rodinn\u00fd \u017eivot s profesn\u00edm? Kari\u00e9ra i rodina, to jsou vlastn\u011b dv\u011b pr\u00e1ce na pln\u00fd \u00favazek. Jak jste to zvl\u00e1dali?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n

PK: <\/strong>Ve sportu je to vlastn\u011b stra\u0161n\u011b jednoduch\u00e9: my tr\u00e9nujeme jednou denn\u011b a pak jsme cel\u00e9 odpoledne, ve\u010der doma. Zrovna v zahrani\u010d\u00ed to rodinu velmi utu\u017euje.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

DP:<\/strong> J\u00e1 jsem byla pom\u011brn\u011b star\u00e1 matka, prvn\u00ed d\u00edt\u011b jsem si po\u0159\u00eddila a\u017e v 36 letech a druh\u00e9 d\u00edt\u011b ve \u010dty\u0159iceti. To bylo vlastn\u011b v rozkv\u011btu kari\u00e9ry. Moje mana\u017eerka mi zcela na rovinu, kdy\u017e jsem j\u00ed to \u0159\u00edkala, do telefonu \u0159ekla, \u017ee existuj\u00ed potraty. Ale j\u00e1 jsem to d\u00edt\u011b cht\u011bla. To jsem j\u00ed vlastn\u011b v\u016fbec nevysv\u011btlila, ani po porodu jsem to v bran\u017ei nikomu nevysv\u011btlila. Nicm\u00e9n\u011b jsem si to prosadila a jezdila jsem v\u0161ude s jedn\u00edm d\u00edt\u011btem takhle pod k\u0159\u00eddlem s ch\u016fvou. Prvn\u00ed tat\u00ednek se teda odporou\u010del a pak jsem \u010dapla druh\u00e9ho tat\u00ednka, s t\u00edm jsem m\u011bla to druh\u00fd d\u00edt\u011b. To je N\u011bmec, neuv\u011b\u0159iteln\u011b sv\u011bdomit\u00fd \u010dlov\u011bk. M\u011bl st\u00e1l\u00e9 zam\u011bstn\u00e1n\u00ed v orchestru jako pozounista. Tak\u017ee n\u00e1m nezb\u00fdvalo nic jin\u00e9ho ne\u017e ch\u016fva. Pak jsem na\u0161t\u011bst\u00ed v\u010das pochopila, \u017ee d\u011bti nemaj\u00ed v\u016fbec \u017e\u00e1dn\u00e9 soci\u00e1ln\u00ed z\u00e1zem\u00ed, tak za\u010daly chodit do mate\u0159sk\u00e9 \u0161kolky. Do t\u00e9 doby znaly jen maminku, ch\u016fvu a tat\u00ednka. Pak p\u0159i\u0161la samoz\u0159ejm\u011b ta volba: b\u00fdt doma s d\u011btma, nebo d\u011blat divadlo? Ta schizofrenie byla d\u011bsn\u00e1. Ale zvl\u00e1dli jsme to, synovi je 26, dce\u0159i 21, oba z domu.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Oba se v\u011bnujete charit\u011b. Dagmar Peckov\u00e1 zalo\u017eila festival Zlat\u00e1 Pecka a vystupuje na charitativn\u00edch koncertech\u2026<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n

DP: <\/strong>Zrovna v\u010dera jsme d\u011blali jeden koncert. \u0160lo o to, aby se co nejv\u00edce mlad\u00fdch lid\u00ed zaregistrovalo jako d\u00e1rci kostn\u00ed d\u0159en\u011b. Charitativn\u011b d\u011bl\u00e1m spoustu koncert\u016f, nic za to nechci. Festival Zlat\u00e1 Pecka jsem zalo\u017eila v Chrudimi, ve sv\u00e9m rodn\u00e9m m\u011bst\u011b. Jen to s m\u00edstn\u00edmi radn\u00edmi za ANO nen\u00ed nejjednodu\u0161\u0161\u00ed. D\u00e1vaj\u00ed mi se\u017erat moje demonstrace proti Babi\u0161ovi.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Pane Kuko, vy jste v roce 2008 zalo\u017eil Czechteam 96. Pom\u00e1h\u00e1te b\u00fdval\u00fdm reprezenta\u010dn\u00edm hr\u00e1\u010d\u016fm, kte\u0159\u00ed dopadli \u0161patn\u011b.<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n

PK: <\/strong>Zejm\u00e9na d\u0159\u00edv se hr\u00e1\u010di po konci kari\u00e9ry \u010dasto dost\u00e1vali do soci\u00e1ln\u00edch probl\u00e9m\u016f. My se sp\u00ed\u0161 sna\u017e\u00edme generovat finan\u010dn\u00ed prost\u0159edky. Dnes u\u017e to na\u0161t\u011bst\u00ed nen\u00ed tolik pot\u0159eba, proto\u017ee doba se posunula vp\u0159ed, star\u0161\u00edch hr\u00e1\u010d\u016f, kte\u0159\u00ed pot\u0159ebuj\u00ed pomoct, je m\u00e9n\u011b. Hrajeme hokej, a t\u00edm se sna\u017e\u00edme generovat pen\u00edze na dobro\u010dinn\u00e9 \u00fa\u010dely. V t\u00fdmu jsou t\u0159eba Patrik Berger, Vladim\u00edr \u0160micer, Karel Poborsk\u00fd, Ivan Ha\u0161ek, Horst Siegel\u2026 J\u00e1 um\u00edm p\u0159e\u0161lapovat jen na jednu stranu, a tak jsem \u0161el do br\u00e1ny.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

DP: <\/strong>Takov\u00fdhle \u201edomov d\u016fchodc\u016f\u201c je u\u017e stra\u0161n\u011b dlouho v Mil\u00e1n\u011b. Zalo\u017eil ho Verdi pro skladatele a zp\u011bv\u00e1ky, kte\u0159\u00ed na star\u00fd kolena nemaj\u00ed kam j\u00edt.<\/p>\n\n\n

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D\u011bkuji V\u00e1m mockr\u00e1t za rozhovor a otev\u0159enost. Jsem moc r\u00e1d, \u017ee jste se po takov\u00e9 dob\u011b po Wembley zase se\u0161li \u2013 a to tady u n\u00e1s v kopuli \u2013 a uk\u00e1zali, \u017ee a\u010dkoliv oba z jin\u00e9 bran\u017ee, va\u0161e p\u0159\u00edb\u011bhy, zku\u0161enosti z N\u011bmecka a pohled na ob\u011b zem\u011b jsou vlastn\u011b velmi podobn\u00e9! T\u011b\u0161\u00edm se na vid\u011bnou na Letn\u00ed slavnosti!<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n

DP:<\/strong> Jsem r\u00e1da, \u017ee jsem se k rozhovoru nechala ukecat. Ani bych ne\u010dekala, \u017ee jsou na\u0161e zku\u0161enosti a\u017e tak podobn\u00e9!<\/p>\n\n\n\n

PK: <\/strong>A j\u00e1 te\u010f ur\u010dit\u011b p\u016fjdu na kulturu! (sm\u00edch)<\/p>\n\n\n\n

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Dagmar Peckov\u00e1<\/strong>
*1961 Chrudim
\u2022 opern\u00ed p\u011bvkyn\u011b, mezzosopranistka, divadeln\u00ed here\u010dka
\u2022 studovala na St\u00e1tn\u00ed konzervato\u0159i v Praze
\u2022 po \u00fasp\u011b\u0161n\u00e9 kari\u00e9\u0159e operetn\u00ed a muzik\u00e1lov\u00e9 zp\u011bva\u010dky za\u010dala v roce 1985 opern\u00ed anga\u017em\u00e1 v S\u00e4chsische Staatsoper v Dr\u00e1\u017e\u010fanech, n\u011bkolik let byla \u010dlenkou Staatsoper v Berl\u00edn\u011b
\u2022 p\u0159edstavila se na sv\u011btov\u00fdch opern\u00edch a koncertn\u00edch sc\u00e9n\u00e1ch jako nap\u0159. Bayerische a Hamburgische Staatsoper, Carnegie Hall New York, Royal Opera Haus Covent garden London, d\u00e1le Amsterdamm, Pa\u0159\u00ed\u017e, Curych, \u017deneva
\u2022 v roce 2017 zalo\u017eila ve sv\u00e9m rodi\u0161ti Hudebn\u00ed festival Zlat\u00e1 Pecka, v jeho\u017e r\u00e1mci je hlavn\u00edm um\u011bleck\u00fdm garantem projekt\u016f na podporu mlad\u00fdch za\u010d\u00ednaj\u00edc\u00edch talent\u016f<\/p>\n\n\n

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Pavel Kuka<\/strong>
*1968 Praha
\u2022 fotbalov\u00fd \u00fato\u010dn\u00edk a \u010desk\u00fd a \u010deskoslovensk\u00fd reprezentant
\u2022 \u010dlen all stars t\u00fdmu na ME 1996, kde \u010cR z\u00edskala st\u0159\u00edbrnou medaili
\u2022 v\u00edt\u011bz DFB-Pokalu 1996
\u2022 mistr N\u011bmecko 1998
\u2022 v\u00edt\u011bz \u010desk\u00e9ho fotbalov\u00e9ho poh\u00e1ru
\u2022 odchovanec SK Slavia Praha, hr\u00e1l mj. za 1. FC Kaiserslautern, 1. FC Norimberk a VfB Stuttgart<\/p>\n\n\n

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Rozhovor: Christian R\u00fchmkorf
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Slavn\u00e1 opern\u00ed p\u011bvkyn\u011b a legenda \u010desk\u00e9ho fotbalu. 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